Thanks BCM, I'll let you know how I get on and what their response is.

The thing is, if you would do the exams in the UK, the results might not (or will not) be accepted by the IVW. This would mean you will also have to take your practical exam in the UK, and must first receive your CAA-JAA licence. Or MAYBE you could find a CAA-examiner in the Netherlands, but still, you would first receive a CAA-licence.

This would also complicate the annual renewal-procedure and all.

However, if you have a basic understanding of Dutch, and practice a lot with the PPL-exam-collections (which should be available, as far as I know) you should be able to complete the exams in Dutch.

Hi variantie,

Is the Dutch exam not in complex technical aviation-speak Dutch? Do you think there would be someone available to translate a question during the test if needed?

To be honest, I've only just started so it's going to be another year by the time I take my test... en ik hoop dat mijn nederlands beter worden in de loop van de tijd :-)

What is CAA-JAA? I thought that I only needed a medical test, theory PPL and Practical PPL... am I mistaken? :-S

It's so complicated - but I'm determined :-)

Thanks for all your help so far.

~Matt

mattblack schreef:Hi variantie,

Is the Dutch exam not in complex technical aviation-speak Dutch? Do you think there would be someone available to translate a question during the test if needed?

To be honest, I've only just started so it's going to be another year by the time I take my test... en ik hoop dat mijn nederlands beter worden in de loop van de tijd :-)

What is CAA-JAA? I thought that I only needed a medical test, theory PPL and Practical PPL... am I mistaken? :-S

It's so complicated - but I'm determined :-)

Thanks for all your help so far.

~Matt

-1 Yes, compared to reading a newspaper you are right. But the PPL-theory itself is of an acceptable level, with a little practice. If you would practice those PPL-exams out of the catalogue, you will soon know enough of the words to make a good impression at the exam. If you have a year and you take your time, it will not pose a problem. Of course, if they would administer the test in English, all the better! I don't think there will be someone available during the test. But I did not take the test at the CBR, some of the others might know more about that.

What a great response, and fast too – many thanks.

Where can I see some practice exams? I’m sure they’re available online these days.

CAA/IVW…. I get it now  Sorry you must think I’m stupid haha.

Currently waiting for email replies from IVW and the CBR. Will post them when I have them.

Definitely sounds like it’s going to be easier to learn Dutch. I’m already trying. I’ve been here for nearly 12 months and I’ve picked up a lot, but it’s a very hard language. I have another 10 lessons left at college too. If only Dutch TV was a little more interesting, I’d pick it up much quicker ;-)

Thanks again, I really appreciate the help. ~Matt

Oh 1 more thing - will I need Dutch citizenship then? I can't get dual-nationality as I already have 1 EU passport.

mattblack schreef:What a great response, and fast too – many thanks.

Where can I see some practice exams? I’m sure they’re available online these days.

CAA/IVW…. I get it now  Sorry you must think I’m stupid haha.

Currently waiting for email replies from IVW and the CBR. Will post them when I have them.

Definitely sounds like it’s going to be easier to learn Dutch. I’m already trying. I’ve been here for nearly 12 months and I’ve picked up a lot, but it’s a very hard language. I have another 10 lessons left at college too. If only Dutch TV was a little more interesting, I’d pick it up much quicker ;-)

Thanks again, I really appreciate the help. ~Matt

- With those examns, you'll have to ask some of the others here; There are a few who are doing their Dutch PPL-exams. If nothing else works, just find a Flightschool in your area (assuming you don't already have one for your flight-training?) They should be able to get them for you. But then again, they might be online somewhere too..

CAA = IVW; Yes, you've got it!

yea all I watch is Nat Geo/Discovery and Comedy Central (And of course BBCs). Ned1-3, RTLs etc.... boorrring. lol, every evening it's just a selection of talk-shows! No comedy programmes, etc.

Oh well I'm getting there, I'll be fluent in 5 years :-) Maybe longer.

Re the club - I'm in the process of joining the one at Eindhoven Airport. Just had 2 lessons (proeflessen) and really enjoyed myself. I've got the buzz now :-)

Cheers ~Matt

mattblack, about the ppl exams, you can find several questions on the internet.. we have a website www.stickingmikes.nl (don't know if it is allowed to post this adres here but oke) we have 2 links to ppl exam questions. on airwork.nl you can also find a lot of questions buttttt they are all in dutch.

i think the Netherlands should do the ppl exam totally in English.. the dutch language in aviation is verry difficult to understand in sometimes.. they use strange translations.. orr not verry strange but unusual because during the practical course you will hear those therms only in English. but allright it's the Netherlands so we have to do it the way they want.

i hope you will get a quick response from ivw!

good luck

BCM

BravoCharlyMike schreef: i think the Netherlands should do the ppl exam totally in English.. the dutch language in aviation is verry difficult to understand in sometimes

The same thing was true for the ATPL theory exams, sometimes you had to translate it to English to understand what they were talking about :D I think it's a good thing they're now all standard in English. I would guess it wouldn't be a problem to get PPL exams in English, but who can answer this question better than IVW itself? ;)

Checklist = Stuurhutcontrolelijst. Blijft de mooiste.

mattblack schreef:Where can I see some practice exams?

IVW's website ("voorbeeldexamen"): http://www.ivw.nl/onderwerpen/luchtvaart/brevetten_en_opleidingen/piloten_examens/theorieexamensluchtvarende.aspx

Might be easier for you to take flight training in the UK though.

They are more flexible there and allow you to take the exams at a local flight school. In NL the exams are administered centrally, and if you have problems with the language and fail a subject, you may have to wait months before the next opportunity.

i dont want to keep having to go back to the UK for renewals though, new medical exams etc.

Mind you - I could swap my UK PPL for a Dutch one! Aaaah theres a thought.

I've just realised also that I will have to do an ENGLISH TEST to get my PPL here, how funny? :-)

Thanks for the links, I'll take a look later because I'm working at the moment (Yea Sunday I know, ah well).

Thanks Matt

Hiya Matt,

Here's a cloggie, living on the Island. People who are native English speakers don't have to be tested for their English proficiency. it is possible to obtain a PPL in the U.K. and get the state of issue changed to The Netherlands, if it isn't possible to do the exams in English.

thanks very much, im seriously considering it.

Shame though, that I have to go through all this. It's hard trying to hold down a full time job whilst needing to do theory lessons, exams etc - especially if I have to go abroad.

Hey where in Manchester are you? I was brought up in Littleborough ('tutha side of Rochdale). What a dump it was lol, much happier now in Veldhoven. Why are you over there? Were you kicked out of Nederland for commiting a crime or something? You must have been bad to be living on the island now. ;-)

mattblack schreef:i dont want to keep having to go back to the UK for renewals though, new medical exams etc.

The main requirement is that you complete your flight training (including all theory exams + skills test) in the UK, or at one of the JAA schools in the USA that operate under the UK rules.

I hold a Dutch medical and UK JAA PPL. Those are interchangeable.

There are schools here that advertise they can do the revalidation, e.g. http://www.singlesandtwins.nl/page161 But haven't got to that point yet, so can't speak from experience.

Currently live in Baguley. Bit of a hellhole. Moving soon. That's my punishment for not going to the 'KLS'. ;-)

haha you poor thing. Ahh it's not too bad, try Salford or Rochdale! Or even Blackpool - nightmare place.

Hey can you post me some brown sauce? And vinegar (eating kind!), real tea-bags (not them weak pathetic dutch kind that just make water with a smell lol), salt n vinegar crisps, OXO cubes and fat-chips? :-) Oh and not to forget Fish chips peas and gravy (Together!) from a real chippy. Haha Only joking, being away makes them things more special when i go back home.

wow having looked at them example PPL tests, I've no chance of sitting it in Dutch. Ik week minder helft van de worden. :-S

response from the CBR offices...

Dear Sir,

Unfortunately it is not possible to do PPL theory exams in English here in the Netherlands.

Kind regards, Mw. J.B. Bos Coördinator afdeling Luchtvaartexamens 020-5840311

ahh it's a shame.. if I was you.. I would choose to do my ppl in the UK.. much easier to do all the theory in english specially for you, a native English speaker. It is a hell of a job to learn Dutch AND trying to understand all the Dutch technical therms. may be it's possible to do it in Belgium or Germany in English?

BCM

aaah now there's an idea! Do you know who controls the licencing in belgium and germany?

I'm still waiting to hear back from ivw, they're the ones who will have the answers.

no I don't know who controls the licencing in belgium and germany but i can ask a friend, he knows it for sure how it works in belgium. I'lll ask him and let you know asap.. germany I don't know.. so may be anyone on airwork wo knows the germany ivw?

BCM

Well the IVW are pretty clear with their response!...

Dear Sir,

There is no possibility to take the JAR-FCL PPL exams in the English language. Art. 8.3.b. of the Examenreglement voor Luchtvarenden 2004 is quite clear: Language for theory exams for PPL: Dutch.

Met vriendelijke groet and Kind regards,

Frank Knape ------------------------ Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat Unit Persoonsdocumenten Personenvervoer en Luchtvaart Postbus 120 2501 CC Den Haag

I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall!

I feel like banging somebody else's head against the wall. Ignorant little sh*ts...

Well I didn't wanna say that :-D

Well, considering you want to continue with CPL/ATPL, you might look more into the UK-option.

On the other hand, when I took my training, one of my "collegues" was scottish, born and raised. He only lived in the Netherlands for about one or two years before starting training, but spoke fluently Dutch. Really amazing. Anyway, he did follow all training in Dutch, and did a pretty good job at it!

Now, if you don't consider living in the Netherlands longterm, maybe England would be the way to go. If you do consider staying here, you might just have to go through the whole mess. Remember, you'll be one of about 5.000 people WORLDWIDE who can speak aviation-dutch! :D

Mattblack,

I've done my PPL exams in Belgium last year. I beleive they have several language options, including english (due to the fact they are multi lingual as a country).

I'm not sure if you can study at home and go for the exams, since my theory intructor signed a paper that I attended theory classes there.

Anyways, you have to contact mobilit.fgov of belgium: http://www.mobilit.fgov.be/nl/index.htm (dutch or french only, unfortunately)

I checked to see if there was any way to see what languages they use for the examinations, but I found no reference. I'm sure there were 3 or 4 options though (Dutch, French, German (?), English (?)).

The examination itself is a lot more flexible planning-wise then the Dutch examinations. I believe that in the Netherlands there are only 3 days in a year where you can go for your examinations, while in Belgium you plan it together with the Mobility office. A friend of mine who flunked two (out of nine) exams went back the very next day ;)

The main thing however is the fact that you will also need an attest that you have done the theory course with an instructor, not sure if that is feasible for you?

If you're really bored, you could just go for CPL / ATPL theory to begin with since those exams are in English ;) As far as I know, it's no problem to get a PPL with CPL / ATPL theory. You'll just be rather over-qualified on the theory front. I doubt you'll ever attempt polar navigation in a Cessna.