zover ik weet geen roundeyes daar....
maar china heeft een zeeer groot tekort aan ervaren vliegers, er worden nu overal roundeyes toegelaten.

Heb je plannen om daar naar toe te gaan?
slaris zal naar chinese begrippen zijn.

K.

Heb wel eens met iemand gevlogen die daar een audit had gedaan voor de toelating tot skyteam, hij was eigenlijk redelijk verbaasd over de standaard van de operatie, niet dat ie alles kon volgen due to het feit dat zn chinees niet echt goed was:D, maar hij zei dat het er allemaal redelijk standaard uit zag.

KLIKO schreef:zover ik weet geen roundeyes daar....
maar china heeft een zeeer groot tekort aan ervaren vliegers, er worden nu overal roundeyes toegelaten.

Heb je plannen om daar naar toe te gaan?
slaris zal naar chinese begrippen zijn.

K.

Round eyes :biertje:

Ze zijn veel round eye captains voor de 330 / 340 aan het werven en ik kan ook komen solliciteren als direct entry omdat ik genoeg PIC A320 heb. Je moet alleen zelf je 320 to 330 /340 course betalen maar die krijg je na 2 jaar weer terug van China Southern. Ze hebben o.a bases op FRA, CDG , LAX en nog veel meer. Het geld is vergelijkbaar met het geld in europa dus niet echt slecht. Het schijnt een goede company te zijn en ze zijn de grootste in china. Vandaar dat ik wat info vroeg mbt deze toko.

werken voor de chinezen is my goed bevallen.. sinds we overgenomen zijn door CX is het alleen maar ellende.
Long Haul met een basis in europa genereert veel vrije dagen!!1

What are they charging for a CCQ?

Pornking -

Snap dat je ICA wil vliegen voor de change of scenery.. Maar 9000 USD als ICA baas in Europa.... Als ze daar nou eens 9000 Euro's van willen maken..

Stolen from pprune:
China Eastern (Via Agencies) have been looking for A320 Captains that wish to add an A340 rating and fly for them. The deal is that you are bonded (US $32,000 over two years, paid up front) with a base in CDG, LHR or LAX and US $9000 per month. (75 Hours @ $120).

I am just back from Shanghai and I can tell you ….. DON’T DO IT.

They might say A340 - LAX, CDG or LHR but they mean A330, Shanghai working 6 weeks on and two weeks off.

If that doesn’t put you of then wait till you get there – A woman called Julia Chen will treat you like a child – she will hang up the telephone on you, wave you away with the flick of her hand, shout at you and give you no respect (zero) wherever you came from or what you experience/age etc is. She is in charge of your recruitment process! She will treat you like this BEFORE you join – What would it be like when you have handed over the $32,000?

The “one way” interview process starts at 07.30 Hrs Local one day one (no matter where your body clock is) with a immigration medical – This will take most of the day and is one sided, you will have no idea what is being said unless you speak Chinese – No English.

Day two – CAAC Medical – Another entire day with no feed back. Lots of rooms and very little respect for the individual (Eg ten men in a row – drop them for the doctor!) only the nurse will get the modesty curtain. Blood is taken by standing in a row and sticking your arm through a serving hatch!

Day three – The English test …….. Even if your mother tongue is English this will make you work – check the following link for more information. http://www.relta.org/sampleTest.php

Day four – The CAAC ATPL – FAA pilots have a distinct advantage – The format is very FAA even if the regulations are Chinese – Get the Gleim Airline Transport Pilot 2008 Test Prep CD-Rom from https://www.gleim.com/aviation/products.php?cat=ATP#TestPrepCD-Rom and become totally familiar with this BEFORE starting the CAAC workup. The CD will be familiar to FAA students and very strange for JAA/CAA students. Next purchase this book http://www.hceis.com/book.asp?id=3703 and down load the following questions http://www.huaxun-hk.com/ATPL.txt - Note these questions are NOT what you will get but if you read them and find the answer in the book (write the page number next to the questions for future reference) you will start to learn and all will be well in the exam. Give yourself time – If you arrive in China without the ATPL study complete you will probably fail! You will not have enough study time, once you arrive in China.

Day five – The Sim – (should have said “Night Four”) real grave yard slots of 01.00 02.00 etc. 00.45 mins each. Basic stuff – little use of Autopilot. RTO <72Kts, Visual Circuit, Go Around, Single Eng FD ILS is about it. No Manuals, No Check lists – Take your own if you want them (three copies).

Notes: Medical is VERY strict – All pilots had a Class 1 FAA or JAA medical – 50% failed the CAAC medical! The ATPL – 2 out of 6 failed (+50% of local co pilots). Documents – if a single document is not notarized and translated into Chinese the system will stall. If you are not able to get your Authority to confirm your hours then you will only be offered the chance to fly an A320 for the 500 hours before you start the larger A/C CCQ. FAA pilots have a real problem here – get the paper or forget it! Visa’s – VERY IMPORTANT - class “C” visa’s will not do – You will need a new Visa (F works) but this will mean cancelling any “C” visa you may already have.

Best thing I can say is that the CES Pilots we met seemed OK - BUT until this woman is removed and the contract produced prior to visiting Shanghai forget it.

Regards

klopt, dat is het contract waar ik het eerder over had. Hmmm dat klinkt allemaal niet zo goed. Ik heb ze ook even contact opgenomen en het is inderdaad zo dat als je CDG als base hebt je daar vertrekt en terug komt maar daar kan 6 weken tussen zitten. Je blijft regelmatig in china om met de 330 local flights te doen. Ik had het meer als optie om meer in nederland te kunnen zijn maar dat gaat niet werken op deze manier.

Eastern or Southern?

Eastern or Southern?

The info above refers to China Eastern Airlines.

Pornokoning is asking about China Southern Airlines.

I had seen the contract with China Eastern - haven't seen anything for China Southern.

Ik ken een captain A320 die bij Jet Airways A330 gaat vliegen met een BRU base, is dat mischien iets voor je?

De deal met china southern is precies hetzelfde.....

Daar ben ik zeker geinteresseerd in...kun je wat gegevens mailen?

Korean?

Korean?

Korean is hiring non rated people.

If you pass the selection you buy your own ratingthen they'll employ you. You can be based anywhere they fly.

I understand it's possible to get a block of 11 consecutive days off every month.

Jet airways vliegt ook met de 777 met brussel als base, zitten wat gepensioneerde klm captains.

19 of 77 schreef:Korean is hiring non rated people.

If you pass the selection you buy your own ratingthen they'll employ you. You can be based anywhere they fly.

I understand it's possible to get a block of 11 consecutive days off every month.

What are the requirements (licenses & hours)?

KAL

KAL

Not sure what the requirements are - this is being offered through a number of recruitment agencies.

There are a few threads on PPRuNe giving more details.

I will be requesting the terms and conditions - I will post them in the next week or so.

KAL non rated

KAL non rated

Shamelessly copied from one of the recruiting companies websites...

Invitations are now open to Non-type rated Captains:

* Please note applicants MUST have appropriate wide-body jet experience.

Candidates who meet the criteria will be invited to Seoul for Screening, Medical and Sim check. If approved, the candidate must arrange and fund the type-rating. KAL will not be paying for Type-ratings. You will have a guaranteed position with the airline upon successfully completing the type rating.

Total PIC Hours: Ideally a minimum of 3000 hours total PIC flying time

Minimum qualifications :

1. Captains must hold a current and valid JAA/ FAA / ICAO ATPL

2. A valid Class 1 Medical

3. A valid, current wide-body glass cockpit Jet type rating

4. Last flight on type within 6 months

5. Age: Below 56.5 years

6. No history of accidents or incidents

7. Must have excellent Aviation English

The agencies offering these contracts are Direct Personnel/Rishworth but there may be others.

I understand they are considering B757/767 experience for the 777 and A319/320/321 rated people for the A330. Contact the agencies for more details.

Porno,

Schrijf je in bij tenten als Parc en Bond Aviation.

Laat hun het zoekwerk laten doen en als er wat leuks tijdelijk tussen zit een beetje rond de wereld "proeven" om te kijken of die toko's als Korean, China Southern etc wat voor je zijn.

Kun je daarna altijd nog "ICA-rated" ergens binnen komen en misschien wat meer eisen.

De 4 nieuwe triple's van BA in 2009 worden trouwens een aanvulling en geen vervanging....kortom bijhouden die CV!

Mzzl

Boys,

for shit angiggles effe een mail gestuurd wat de aanbieding is van KAL,
houd jullie op de hoogte

KAL A330 T&C's

KAL A330 T&C's

As promised.

To get these I updated my application with various employment agencies. I have received 7 contracts in my inbox in the last 36 hours. :D:D

CONTRACT TERMS AND CONDITIONS A330 Captains KOREAN AIR

Note: All currencies are in US dollars unless specified

Qualifications:500 + PIC hours on type (KAL may accept applications from pilots with typerating and zero flight hours on type)
3,000 + total airline transport hours Flown on type within the last 24 months Under 56.5 years of age at date of joining

Contract Term:5 years, with extensions to age 60

Payment:Total package value $11,432 tax paid per month (when including monthlyvalue of insurance – you choose the package to suit you – please read carefully insurance/payment options attached).

Total value during training $7,732 tax paid. Paid off shore to the bank account(s) of your choice.

Overtime:Overtime of $125 per hour over 65 hours/month (paid to the bank account(s)of your choice).

Bonus Payment:$3,000 paid after successful completion of line training and line check – the training period takes approximately 3 months.

Per Diem:Paid monthly direct by KAL to you.Per diem rates vary per destination – range from $3 to $5 per hour. Please just ask us if you would like to receive a copy of current per diem rates.

Review:A payment increase equivalent to the annual US cost of living index from the month of April, only where KAL records net income in the previous fiscal year. However, if you join, retire, resign, or your contract is terminated in the concerned fiscal year or after you are not eligible to get the pay increase- example 2.7% in 2005, 3.4% in 2006, 3.2% in 2007.

Annual Leave:2 days per month of service (24 days per year). Taken monthly, or you may take up to 7 days annual leave in any one month.

Sick Leave:14 days per year

Bases:Home Bases - LHR, FRA, CDG, AKL, SYD, BNE, LAX, YYZ, YVR, JFK,SFO, ORD, ATL, HKG, KUL, BKK
Operating Base – Seoul, Korea

Routes: Domestic, China, Japan, Southeast Asia, Europe, Oceania

Days Off:9 consecutive days off per month plus up to 3 travel days per month plusannual leave days can be added each month (see annual leave above).

Travel:Travel on KAL’s network to and from duty each month – you can expect aseat in First Class if space available, or if full, then a seat in Business Class4 x free of charge round trip tickets for your self, spouse and children on KAL’s network each year ID50 and ID90 tickets 6 x each year for yourself, spouse and children
Access for you and your family to interline tickets with other airlines

Accommodation:Excellent standard hotel accommodation and transport provided in Seoul and throughout the network. For accommodation at Base Residence inSeoul refer to www.incheon.regency.hyatt.com

Insurance:Please refer to schedule belowKorean
Tax:All payments to you are after Korean tax has been calculated and paid onyour behalf

Bank Transfer Fees: All bank transfer fees paid by (Agency)

Application/Interview process:

1.KAL short application form and resume submitted to KAL. KAL reviews these documentsand invites you to screening if accepted.
2.Before the screening further application forms and documents to be submitted.
3.The screening process consists of a three day interview, sim check and medical in Seoul.In practice, to attend, you will need to allow 5 – 7 days in total (this includes travel to andfrom Seoul).
4.KAL will provide travel in business/first class (except in rare situations when completelybooked out) from your nearest KAL port, but not airport taxes. Please keep a record ofthese costs (receipts) and Rishworth Aviation will reimburse these to you with yourfirst payment.
5.KAL will arrange and pay for your hotel accommodation in Seoul (at the Hyatt RegencyIncheon), and you will be provided with a total of KRW 100,000 (approx US$100) during the screening to cover transport and meal costs.

The contracts for the other types are similar (more money on the 777/744 less on the 737NG)

JO,

kreeg binnen 1 uur een aanbieding voor de 744,wel met de aantekening dat ik mn 744 rating moest hebben, en die heb ik als het goed is in february, voor de 744 geen non rated mensen.
Ook gemailed dat ik een A330 rating heb, was geen probleem, hebben liever de 744

ik verdien nu meer, en in heb de zekerheid van de UK pound.

onderstaand het contract via CCL in the Isle of Man,

KOREAN AIR

CAPTAINS B747-400

TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Qualifications: 500 hrs PIC on type / 2,000 hrs PIC on airline
transport / last flight on type within 2 yrs

Age: KAL specify max 56.5 years at joining /
60 y.o. retirement

Term: 5 years + extensions to age 60

Bases: LHR / CDG / FRA / AKL / SYD / BNE / LAX / YYZ YVR /JFK / SFO / ORD / ATL / HKG / KUL / BKK

Salary: US$13,000 tax paid per month ($13,160 without insurance) / $8,800 ($8,960) during training. $140 per hour over 75 hrs / month (paid off-shore)

Per Diem: US$2 to US$4 per hr / varies per destination

Days Off: 9 consecutive days per month at nominated home
Base / plus commuting days (add 2 days leave = 11 consecutive days per month)

Annual Leave: 2 days per month (24 days per annum) / taken monthly or up to 7 days together in any 1 month

Sick leave: 14 days per annum

Travel: Business class to/from home base each month

4 x confirmed economy/subload business class
roundtrip FOC per year for captain/spouse and
children (no upper age limit for captain’s children)

6 x On Line ZED Fare (90%) or 50% (confirmed) on KAL network for captain and family per year

Interline tickets as per KAL employees


Accommodation: Quality hotel accommodation and transport provided in ICN and throughout network.

Insurance: Various options including excellent Loss of Income of GBP£780 per week for up to 2 years (Lloyds of London) paid after 14 days if unable to perform captain’s duties with KAL.

Personal Accident/Life Cover of GBP£78,000

Comprehensive world wide Medical (including Medivac) and Travel Insurance

Joining Bonus: $3,000 paid to captain after successful completion of line training / line check

Korean Tax: Captain’s Korean Tax paid by CCL (Korean tax credits apply in several countries)

Bank Transfer Fees: All bank transfer fees paid by CCL

Annual COL Increase: An annual Cost of Living increase, based on the
US index, will be paid to all captains every year that KAL are profitable (3.2% paid in 2007).

Early Resignation: Korean Air apply a US$15,000 penalty payment as an offset against training costs, to any captain who leaves voluntarily within the first 12 months of service. After the first year, 3 months written notice is required for contract termination.

Applications/Interviews: CV’s/Resumes are submitted to KAL in the first instance. A three day interview/sim check/medical program in Seoul will be offered, and completed application documents will be then be required by the airline. KAL Application Packs now available.

KAL will provide tickets from any on-line port to ICN. Quality hotel accommodation and transport will also be provided by the airline.

.

Expat or not?

Expat or not?

Just a word of caution to anyone considering any of the jobs in this thread.

If you have a stable job in a Western country for an Airline that is making money then that's your best option IMHO.

Looks like a big downturn coming next year - best to stay put until it passes.

I've seen a lot of people running from contract to contract forever chasing the $$$$.

Very important:- Once an Expat always an Expat There is usually no way back.

Most Expat jobs are basically three month renewable contracts. If the sh*t hits the fan you're the first to be let go. So you need a plan B at all times.

Same thing happens when enough local pilots have been trained - very few companies offer long term prospects.

Most companies will not move you between fleets - you'll stay on Type X.

The biggest challenge is learning to live in a different culture - that requires a considerable adjustment. Not everyone can make the adjustment.

However if you can accept these aspects of the job it can also be an extremely rewarding opportunity personally, professionally and financially. Choose carefully.

Personally I'm quite happy with 30C every day.